Re: xanadu.net

[Ted Nelson <ted@xxxxxxxxxx>]

>Oh, and I disagree that this is a paradigm-less system. You simply replace
>a paper paradigm with a spacial one (2d->xd). 

I didn't say paradigmless.  I said no Icons, no Metaphors,
 and no Applications.

>The more I think about it,
>the more I prefer the object model. You can have an object (aka blob) with
>no external links but can be referenced directly (if you try to create the
>same object twice, it tells you it already has one (akin to "Oh, DAM, I
>knew that" (see below))). 

Your tastes are your own and bless you; the interesting
 things about this model include:
generalization of rows and columns
use of rows and columns for some interface hooks
reversibility of all excursions

I don't concern myself with how the brain works.
 Just with the software I want for myself.

Best wishes, TN


At 02:24 AM 5/15/98 -0400, you wrote:
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>Howdy,
>
>I just tried to download the ZigZag from the www.xanadu.net page, and it
>asked me to log in. Nothing I do seems to allow me to create a user account.
>
>I have a concern that the other person who both saw and understood the
>meaning of your software the other night at the wearable conference, may
>give up trying to download it. I, however, in addition to sending this
>salutary message, will check back in a few days.
>
>Oh, and I disagree that this is a paradigm-less system. You simply replace
>a paper paradigm with a spacial one (2d->xd). The more I think about it,
>the more I prefer the object model. You can have an object (aka blob) with
>no external links but can be referenced directly (if you try to create the
>same object twice, it tells you it already has one (akin to "Oh, DAM, I
>knew that" (see below))). I think this is probably more akin to the human
>brain: many snarfs(giga-blobs) of data where the links vanish over time,
>but the unreferenced data still exists, which also explains why people
>start off smart and get stupid (and especially explains smart-ass
>teenagers). This gave rise to the Jungian uber-word DAM (a cypher for
>direct access memory), which exists in many cultures. 
>
>BTW, I'm going to write you a note in a few weeks to pump you for bright
>ideas regarding Listening (and, eventually, Responding) computers. Feel
>free to spend sleepless nights and days thinking about it, all at no
>charge. It would be good for me to get off-the-cuff opinions from a bright
>person, such as yourself, who is otherwise in a vacuum to the current
>theory (I can read) but who is (or appears to be) creative (I call this one
>who is unfettered by knowledge), and I do so know so few unfetteredly
>creative individuals that I have to solicit such wherever I can find them.
>
>- -JRP
>
>Jason R. XXXXXXXX
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