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Re: Comments on tumbler ordering
- To: John Ohno <john.ohno@xxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: Comments on tumbler ordering
- From: Berend van Berkum <berend@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:33:03 +0100
- Cc: udanax@xxxxxxxxxx
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On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 02:53:18PM -0500, John Ohno wrote:
> If all else fails, since the tumblers are part of the vstream rather
> than the istream, some fiddling of the vstream might fix that, but I
> prefer your solution :-). Another kludge might just be to transclude
> the stuff that you want to insert before.
I liked it too for the purposes of a tumblerline, but it appears i don't
understand enough of Xanalogics.. Actually, I was playing with these because I
thought two lines could be used to define a table, subdividing cells col- or
row-wise as needed. Then I wondered how close such a structure for a table
would be to en anfilade, considering it would have col/row sizes (Widativity)
> The tumbler addresses appear
> to be mostly syntactic sugar, particularly the ability to
> transparently concatenate whole ranges.
> On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Berend van Berkum <berend@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hi list,
> > been thinking about a use of tumblers and now bumped into a curiosity.
> > I know tumblerlines from online comments, from Jeff Rush's minxu and an LM87.1
> > blurb in my revised Dream Machines. But now i see the latter two order
> > tumblers differently from that proposed in e.g. Tumbler Arithmetic .
> > Instead they compare as follows:
> > 1 < 1.1 < 1.1.1 < 1.1.2 < 1.1.3 < 1.2 < 1.2.1 < 1.2.2 < 1.3 < 1.3.1 < 1.4 < 2
> > And this makes it impossible to insert anything before 1, 1.1, etc.
> > (Nevertheless, this is how Nelson illustrates a tumblerline of Xu88 addresses
> > in LM87. Perhaps the ordering was confused with the hierarchical addresses of
> > Udanax Green? It just dawns on me how little the (number of) digits in the
> > components mean.)
> > Xu88.1's demo frontend orders these tumblers as follows:
> > 1.1.1 < 1.1.2 < 1.1.3 < 1.1 < 1.2.1 < 1.2.2 < 1.2 < 1.3.1 < 1.3 < 1.4 < 1 < 2
> > So the infinite set of addresses in space 1 are ordered before address 1.
> > To insert between 1.1 and 1.2.1 you a). append after 1.2 or b). insert before
> > 1.2.1. At new addresses 1.3 or 188.8.131.52.
> > I think this is how tumblers should be ordered, but I find the difference
> > between the addresses curious, and myself thinking how the front-end would
> > interpret the number of digits.
> > One could look at the structure as a list of embedded dynamic arrays, which on
> > the other hand is why I think of tumblers often.
> > regards,
> > Berend
> > --
> >  http://www.udanax.com/green/febe/tumblers.html
> John Ohno
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