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VC and PO: data-informing in archiving

Date: Sun, 3 Sep 89 11:24:46 PDT
   From: mark (Mark S. Miller)

      Date: Sat, 2 Sep 89 20:11:53 PDT
      From: tribble (Eric Dean Tribble)

	    For starters, the capabilities are different.  When a Stamp is
	    complete, it is no longer data-informable.  Archiving will certainly
	    result in frozen Berts onto data-informable Orgls.  That's the only
	    way to have parts of published documents stored (like the part used in
	    a quote).

	 Now I'm totally confused.  Why should archiving ever result in a
	 frozen Bert of all things?  Orgls aren't data-informable, Stamps are. 

      Two examples to clarify this.

      1) Machine A has a document X that quotes document Y.  The quoted
      material got transferred to A along with X.  Machine A ought to
      represent Y with a frozen Bert (because the actual document Y is
      frozen) onto a partial orgl that just contains the quoted material.
      Only when someone actually cares about Y itself does A bother
      retrieving the rest of the contents from another machine.

   "A ought to represent Y with a frozen Bert (because the acual document
   Y is frozen)" Well fine.  If it's actually frozen, then it should be
   represented as frozen.  I thought I had asked above "Why should
   archiving ever result in a frozen Bert of all things?".  Once again,
   are you actually speaking of frozen Berts, or is this the (already
   conceded) frozen Stamp issue?

I think I misinterpreted your question.  Archiving will not generate
any frozen Bert.  I was describing why it might have to archive the
data associated with a frozen Bert.  This then devolves to the already
resolved Stamp freezing issue.

      2) Machine A has frozen Berts X and Y and all their data.  X and Y
      share data.  Now the archiver throws away Y.  Some other user later
      gets Y from machine B which does not contain X.  Now machine A has
      both X and Y, but without the sharing information between them.

   The last time I remember this example coming up (verbally) it was wrt
   frozen Stamps.  Does it have anything to do with frozen Berts?

Same as above.